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Status and Youth Ministry

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     02-26-2009, 8:56 AM 13825

    Status and Youth Ministry

    We are trying to better organize our statuses and sub-statuses and are coming up with some issues having to do with our youth ministry. Right now, the youth ministry has it's own status with sub-statuses under that (infrequent attender, infrequent sunday am attender, visitor, etc.) These are for when someone from the youth ministry primarily just attends the youth ministry and either attends a different church on Sunday mornings or does not attend a church on Sunday mornings at all. Then we have a status under our regular attenders that is regular attender main church and youth ministry. Then we have an inactive status with the youth ministry as a sub-status for youth that only attended the youth ministry and are now inactive. Then we have another status of member/youth ministry so that we know that they attend the youth ministry and are also a member of the church.

     This works great for reporting purposes, but we are finding that we need to keep creating more statuses and sub-statuses and it is getting confusing for our data entry people what they should select for each person.

    If we tracked attendance for the youth ministry it would probably take care of this, but we do not have check-in at this time. We have not come up with a good way to get an accurate attendance any other way.

     One option that we came up with as a possible solution to this was to create an attribute that is for the youth ministry and track all attenders of any type in the youth ministry that way. Then we would keep the status options to just those that attend on a Sunday morning. If a youth does not attend on a Sunday morning then their status would be inactive but they would have an attribute to the youth ministry. I am a little concerned how this would work for reporting purposes.

     So I have a few questions:

    1. What are other ministries doing to track their youth ministry?

    2. What types of statuses do you use?

    3. What do you think of the attribute option?

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

    Lauren Wood

    Church of the Living God

    Manchester, CT

     03-06-2009, 7:50 PM 13892 in reply to 13825

    Re: Status and Youth Ministry

    We just use the standard status we have setup.  I woudl use attributes to flag them for filtering reports and emails that go out.  It will be cleaner and with some quick training in querry builder they can use them for what distirbution lists they create.
    Jeff Cox
    Business Administrator
    Church on the Hill
    McMinnville, OR
    www.hillchurch.com
    jcox@hillchurch.com

     03-16-2009, 9:34 AM 13958 in reply to 13892

    Re: Status and Youth Ministry

    Thanks for responding! So you just use the status for a regular Sunday morning service and then use attributes to show who attends the youth ministry? You are able to pull all of the reports you need this way?

    Thanks,

    Lauren Wood

    Church of the Living God

    Manchester, CT

    www.clgonline.net

     03-16-2009, 10:24 AM 13960 in reply to 13958

    Re: Status and Youth Ministry

    To us a status is a status, no mater if it is an adult or teen.

    Member, Attendee, Vistor, In Active Memeber, Inactive Attendee, Inactive Vistor with substatuses under those.

    That is all we do for both teens and adults.  However I was suggesting that based on the granular level of statusing you want to do, you could create an attribute group called:  Youth Statuses and pull reports and querries based on that.  We don't track youth status to that detail you are describing.

    You also could create a status group the regular way....

    Status Group of Active

    SubStatuses of:  Active Adult, Active Youth-Regular, Active Youth-Ocasional, etc etc.

     -Jeff

     


    Jeff Cox
    Business Administrator
    Church on the Hill
    McMinnville, OR
    www.hillchurch.com
    jcox@hillchurch.com

     03-18-2009, 3:52 AM 13973 in reply to 13825

    Re: Status and Youth Ministry

    Wow, yea I could see how this could be overwhelming. Like Jeff we don't have special statuses for our youth or kids. We do have two difference campuses so we split those out.

    The main statuses we use for our church attenders is Member which you have to be 16 to go through Membership, this is the only way you are given the status of Member is to go through our Membership class. Anybody else who attends our services even a first time visitor, we give them the status of attendee, we don't use the actual visitor status. I find that the more statuses that you implement in an effort to track an individuals status/involvement within the church simply causes way more work down the road.

    The one exception we make when it comes to someone attending one of our weekend services is if they are visiting from out of state. In this case we give them the status of Misc.

    I don't know what the size of your Youth Ministry is and what you average for attendance every week but quite honestly I think your best bet is to record their actual attendance. Mainly because it sounds like you want to track at a much deeper level then most churches are when it comes to the frequency in which youth are attend.

    Is there a reason you are not using checkin, it doesn't have to be an elaborate setup, you could even use one or two laptops and have volunteers manually check people in vs. using scanners and barcodes. If you absolutely are not in a position to use the actual checkin system you can still track attendance without having to use the checkin program.  You can setup your youth services as actual activities in F1 and then manually post attendance for the youth. This is why I asked about the number of youth that attend every week. Although the process in general of posting attendance is quite simple, it could obviously take some time if you are talking hundreds of youth every weekend.

    If you are not familiar with the "post attendance" option it would require you to come up with some sort of process of obtaining a list of names each week for those youth who attended service. It could be as simple as passing around a bunch of clipboards and asking for the youth to sign the form. Second, you would have to have your service(s) setup as activities with room locations in F1. Once you have all the names collected there is a way to go in and post attendance for each youth for that specific service date and time. Once all this info is recorded you can run reports on it.

    Outside of tracking the actual attendance I agree that the only other way to possibly do it would be to create some sort of attribute structure. You would create your attribute group and then create all the difference attendance scenarios as actual attributes which you can later report on. I would highly recommend that you move away from using the statuses as a way to identify the frequency in which a youth is attending, this is not what the statuses were created for.

    Hope this helps.


    Kim Ludwick
    Database Manager
    Champions Centre
    "One Church, Two Locations"
    Tacoma/Bellevue, WA

     03-23-2009, 4:20 PM 14014 in reply to 13973

    Re: Status and Youth Ministry

    Thank you! Both you and Jeff have been a BIG help! We have decided to go with attributes for tracking our youth ministry.

    I like your suggestion of tracking attendance with just a laptop. We are averaging about 115 youth a week, so having a couple of volunteers logging attendance may be doable. I do use "post attendance" for all of our other youth ministry activities (and small group attendance for our small groups inside of the youth ministry) just not for the main activity. Maybe if we enter everyone who checks in into a drawing once a month that would help us get the participation level needed to make it fly.

    Thanks again!

    Lauren Wood

    Church of the Living God

    Manchester, CT 06042

    www.clgonline.net

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